I sent her a message while on break at work There I go again, writing too much. Will I ever learn?
Read your bio again. I really like almost everything you say in it. Okay, don't wonder, "what do you mean by almost?" I don't really think there is anything I don't like that you wrote but I'm not THAT transparent. Gotta have some mystery or what good is this early phase? I'm by far the world's worst at taking it slow with my feelings. What's that make me? Hopeless romantic or desperate? :-)
(Gulp) I'm new to talking to strangers on the phone. Be gentle.
S
She wrote back, and I don't know if she's being serious or not:
New at talking to strangers" ....is that your way of saying I'm strange? Do you not like me? Where is this thing going? Geez, I'm a wreck and we haven't even talked. Oh, well, I'll call anyway. Going out to Whole Foods now. :-)
POF.com = Plenty of Fish.
I don't know what I want to come of this anytime soon, I'm sort of gun shy, but how can I not enjoy seeing a profile like this from WellAlrightyThen?
Wanted: sidekick, confidant.. partner in play! Someone who is ok meeting on the fly for happy hour, a round of street tennis, extreme goalpost golf, bowling, tubing or a game of chess … My trunk is a toy-box! (yeah yeah, pull your head outta the gutter )Trunk inventory: tennis rackets & balls, a 6 iron, leathers, hiking boots, tennis shoes and flip-flops, floaty chairs (w/cup holders), towels, travel chessboard, sunscreen, bottled water and trailmix. (And that’s just the front half.)
I heard back from her and she said we could be friends. She's up in "Friendly Fridley"
Then there's the type who just take my breath away. Like this other Scorpio, trapped out in a city west of the Twin Cities.
Someone that likes to laugh and enjoy life and is comfortable just "being". Someone that I'm attracted to, but not in a plainly physical or sexual sense, but because I like to be with them and near them.
But they can't even come up with their own words? Bummer
If you steal, may you steal all of my sorrows. If you lie, may you lie all of the nights of my life beside me. If you cheat, may it be death that you cheat. Then I will know I found true love.
I googled the last part, and she stole it from somewhere but so what? You know me and those Scorpio women, or you should. I fear and admire them at the same time.
The bottom line here is that I can read these profiles and exchange messages and it keeps my self-talk on what is now becoming a pretty routine job more positive than wondering what personality a sad, sick person is going to display that day. Who needs that?
Where's this all leave my feelings and my brainwaves? It's stressful meeting new people. And so soon after such an attack on my very soul? Okay, not my soul, but trying to shake the foundation of how mentally healty I am can have an impact on my self-awareness and make me self-conscious. I talked with Jane on the phone last night for about an hour. She has a great voice and cute accent. She asked me what my book was about so I told her about "TBTBF," not "Rat Killer." I do learn some things from my mistakes.
What about the concept of having more than one female friend? Of course, my libido says more than one intimate friend, but is that so wrong? We're not children here.
My first quarter ton pick-up
I picked up Joy at the library. She was my last ride. She was squeezed into her over-sized chair and the first thing I did was think she had literally shit herself. The seatbelt extender wasn't big enough for her. And when I got her off the bus I had to peek to see if she had left a shit stain left behind on the seat I'd have to clean up or at least report. She was at least 500 pounds and it was so sad. But even sadder is how I'm struggling with not judging her. Sure, maybe she has a thyroid problem, but I couldn't ask, could I? "Is this condition your fault or a medical issue out of your control?" And she was bigger than this photo.
And she has a nice face but I could not get past the fact that she shit herself. And she was going for sympathy the whole time. I called dispatch and convinced them to let me drive by the mobile home park she's shopping so she can get out of her dad's dining room. That meant 45 minutes with her instead of eight. According to her and her sympathetic story, her dad has COPD and falls on the floor every night, in the middle of the night, going to or from the bathroom. She can't help him and it sounds like he stays there until her sister comes to get him the next day. Her 23 year old daughter is HIV positive since she was raped at age 14 and she has a glandular problem that caused her weight gain? I'm thinking it's anxiety and depression, but who am I to judge or diagnose? She says she used to do stand-up comedy until, "I could no longer stand up." and she has a leg that had frozen up completely under the weight but now can move 54 degrees, whatever that means. She says it means that maybe someday she can drive again and "when that day comes again I'll cry," she said. I helped her get her wheelchair into the kitchen and she plopped down in the chair and said, "See? This is the only place I can sit until I get my own place." What am I supposed to say to that? I knew there'd be days like that. Not to be sarcastic but I think by "the only place to sit," she might have included not being able to sit on the toilet? It was bad. It was quite a way to end the night.
Meanwhile, back on POF
No reply from the two above so I turned up the wick. I spent a lot of time on my profile. What do I want to portray? My sense of humor of course. And my writing skills. Anyway, here's what I have today, Friday.
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About Stephen
The job I have now is sort of like semi-retirement and soon will be four days a week. After decades of anxiety-riddled sales, I'm helping people, like getting paid to volunteer. What a concept. I meet everyone from 95 year old WWII vets to people who were homeless crack heads, and "saved" when diagnosed with cancer. It humbles me and I NOW TAKE NOTHING FOR GRANTED.
But sometimes when I'm biking around the lakes listening to my fine-tuned Pandora station, and I see a little old octogenarian lady hobbling my way, [i] (They share the bike trails now with the high water), [/i] knowing she's just one misstep away from months of physical therapy and taking opiates that make her higher than she ever can remember, (knowing all she could do to break her hip is reach for her last Bell last jar of pickles she'd ever can,) I am tempted to holler, "Get a job, you're hogging the trail!"
I've been to London, Dubai, Barbados, Hawaii, and 49 of our United States. I wish I was into digital photography then like I am now. But capturing that perfect photo moment after dusk on a glass smooth lake from the porch of a cabin (no mosquitoes in this dream) with a best friend is where I want to travel next. [b]Summer's half over! YIKES![/b]
[i]My downfall? Hubris. I always thought I was smarter than everybody else. Turns out, I'm just smarter than the Republicans.[/i]
1) I can carry on a conversation with all sorts of IQs. That doesn't assure chemistry, but it doesn't hurt. And chemistry? Duh??
2) When was the last time you laughed so hard you cried? Did you appreciate that moment for what it was, i.e. [i]a perfect moment?[/i] Is there anything better than laughter?
3) Honesty is not just a virtue, it's a way of life.
4) If you suffer from jealousy and the destructive suspicions caused by jealousy, save us both the grief, I'm monogamous if it gets that far.
5) Viewing the "Viewed Me" page and then not getting returned messages is not good on one's ego, huh?
6) I don't actually converse in bullet points, but I do organize my thoughts in that fashion.
I woke at dawn this morning to the sound of the city. There's something about hearing the light, intermittent din of city traffic in the early morning hours that makes me smile and feel glad to be alive and healthy. I rolled over and saw an empty pillow next to me. It had an impression left in it as if placed there by an intimate friend and lover from times past, but it was just me and my pillows again like so many days and months before. I fought the urge to feel lonesome again, like so many countless mornings before this one.
Is that what I've worked toward my whole life, to wake next to an empty pillow? Not bloody likely!
Then I started to think, "Don't I have something to offer just one special someone or will I always be making designer coffee for just myself? Who will laugh at my musings first thing in the morning when nobody else is around? Who will get to use the bathroom first? Will I have to start gargling when I use the toilet at 4:30 am just in case you want me to wake you with a kiss?"
Then it hit me, "Why the hell do I have THREE pillows on my bed? Even if I did have someone special to occupy one of my empty pillows, that other empty pillow would still haunt me."
And no, ladies, I do NOT have throw-pillows, bring your own damn throw pillows. Better yet, let's sleep at your place. The city traffic is fine, but sirens at 6 am? City life can be overrated.
Let's discuss the elephant in the room. I think sex is stupid and I've done a lot of stupid things in my life. But sometimes I just feel stupid. I'll probably even die doing something stupid, like texting while driving. I never said I was a genius but don't try to say you don't do stupid things once in awhile either.
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First Date
We make no plans for a next meet-up until we've said good-bye and parted ways. It takes away the awkward pressure to lie and say, "Hey, this is great, let's make plans."
In other words, don't take this all so serious, it's just coffee to see if chemistry is there.
Then, the second, (or third) date? I haven't been to Duluth for a decade. Really, maybe longer. And don't get me started on the North Shore... I lost all my pictures of Duluth, gotta start over. Summer's Almost Over!
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I've been getting some nibbles with that profile. But what then? And the meet-up? I went a bit far with one and then she asked ME to get together and gave me her number. There is no physical attraction. I'll blame Peggy for that. I put up with psychotic with a body, what did that get me? A goal, that's what. How about the whole package?
Sunday:
I had a horrible conversation with a woman Friday night and addressed it Saturday, which made it even worse. She said I was being defensive and even combative in the conversation. In my defense, she started out implying that when she heard I owned a camera with ONLY 6 megapixels she didn't want to have our first meet-up a free photography lesson. Then she went on and on and I finally said, "Take a breath." I guess that was the combative part. The pertinent part of mentioning that awful person here is that it hurt me to be rejected like that. Nobody likes that sort of rejection. I felt a need for some Buspirone but fought the urge and worked through it.
While bored at work I got one of those messages I hate getting, from a profile without a picture, and read her profile.
About Me
I don't have any hobbies or goals or aspirations. I am addicted to TV and junk food. I abhor physical labor and exercise. I am looking for a man with no redeeming qualities to spend my final days on earth with.
And she continued to amaze me with her wit. She's 49 and widowed, poor thing... Says she's a homemaker. Who knows? Who cares? She makes me laugh.
Update on POFJustLooking: She quit responding after I asked, "Do you like leather?"
I spent two hours on the phone with another woman, a blond, hilarious, successful, never had kids, and a real estate agent. I think I have one coming back in town this evening from her cabin up north. We sort of have something tentatively set up. Good thing because I'm ready to dive in head first with the real estate agent. The whole conversation was great, and we didn't hog the stage, laughed, asked follow-up questions, etc. Does it get any better than that? LOL She lives near where I work so that could be convenient. She's not a morning person though. Guess we'll have to work on that.It's 9:00 in the morning on a Sunday. I've been up for two hours, eaten, shaved and dressed for work. I'm going to go swim and head in to work. Is this my routine? Sure, for now.
I'm finding something else interesting about my new life. I don't have to have noise at all times. It's been just me in silence this morning. Maybe that'll help me in some way? More focused? I dunno, that's why I write these things down...
Update on the realtor:
She's a drinker... Been there, done that. And her photo is NOT what she looks like, it's four years old and she hasn't aged well. She saw that micro-expression of disappointment when I first saw her.
She knew it and sent this message after not hearing from me:
Hey, Stephen,
Great weekend. Amazing amount of talking. Incredible to share that much... in that amount of time. Wow
Also seems we ran into enough glitches to know that we are not growing a relationship here; but we did establish a pretty decent connection. I like you, Stephen; and obviously trust you, have entrusted you with a lot of my personal stuff. That would not happen if I didn't see you as a truly good person.
Glad we met. Glad we talked.
I'm not slamming the door on communications here. Just putting out there what we both already know.
That is not to say we can't communicate..... just a different direction.
Be safe... especially while driving the bus.
Gayle
So, since I see no reason to tell her she's a drinker, I wrote her this:
Gayle,
Ever ask yourself why a guy who was making well over $100,000 a year as a pharmaceutical rep was divorced twice and driving a bus to help disabled? I have Bipolar II disorder, those passengers are my fellow peeps. It's not as bad as Bipolar I, those people are crazy, get hospitalized during manic episodes or off themselves during the depressive cycles, and stories about their condition end up on "Law and Order." But I get myself into trouble with my sarcasm or just get "off-balance" and wind up weirding out whoever I'm working for. That's the premise behind the two books I've written. Fictional auto-biographies about the battle with the fucking Rx drugs. I was on one for 14 months and then developed a lovely condition called suicidality that was so rampant and so obsessive I could not even get out of bed without going through the whole litany of suicidal thoughts; who's coming to my funeral, what will they say, etc. And it was Seroquel causing all that suicidality! And on and one and on. So, the last woman I dated from POF was also bipolar but otped to use AA and NOT her drugs. I could have written a book about that BP I. Whacked!
So, I'm out there just meeting people that are great like yourself. It was rude and the timing sucked regarding meeting that other woman but it was something I'd only tentatively planned and thought I better not stand her up. Bad karma...
In other words, like that Seinfeld episode, "It's not you, it's me."
Take care,
Stephen
It could have been that she saw the micro-expression in my face that showed disappointment when I first saw her. Or she read it here in the blurb on first dates I updated after meeting her:
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It says "FIRST DATE" and it should just be a meet-up.
This is one of the more difficult things I’ve been involved in since my divorce. But the alternative is to grab the next one who comes along and try to make it work? Nuh uh, let’s not go there.
Phone calls can be deceiving and raise the expectations and increase disappointment.
This first date is not a fix-up by a co-worker, family, or friend, (somebody we can blame when it doesn't work out), or asking somebody you already know to have a cup of coffee, it’s flying blind, and solo. That's a risk we all must take.
Sure, there’s a profile and some photos but anybody can show their best side in words (copying and pasting though? Really?), and have an old/altered photo whereby the first real encounter elicits, “Wow, you’re not like your photo(s) at all.” [And that can go both ways. I know I looked MUCH better ten years ago, who didn't?]
If I am to find my next partner, and hopefully my last partner, on POF, what will the first date have to be like to know this is finally, (and we all know what weight the word “FINALLY” carries), the right person for me?
Maybe the first date should be in two parts:
1) The first part of the first date should be exactly five minutes long. (Smart phones have timers).
a. Come on, we saw the micro-expression(s) when we saw each other for the first time. (Post a current photo!) Did we feel betrayed by the profile photos?
b. And what if I/you bumbled on the first four questions I/you/we asked/answered, and we interrupted each other two times?
c. When the five minute timer goes off we should then each go to our cars and drive out of the parking lot. Then, if we want to extend the five minutes to either a potential relationship or potential disaster in the making, we circle and land and call it the truly, really first date.
2) The second part of the date helps us with, “I STILL don’t know what I want for sure, other than my cake and eating it too, but if we like each other does it matter for a few more dates, until I/we can sort that question out?”
3) Then there’s the etiquette of who writes what, and how soon, regarding whether there is to be a second date?
Fun, huh?
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I changed this again, it sounded too cynical:
It says "FIRST DATE" and it should just be a meet-up.
It says "FIRST DATE" and it should just be a meet-up.
Maybe the "first date" should be five minutes long. (Smart phones have timers).
a. Come on, we'll see the micro-expression(s) when we see each other for the first time. (Post a current photo!) ?
b. When the five minute timer goes off we should then each go to our cars and drive out of the parking lot. Then, we circle and land and call it the truly, really first date.
Fun, huh?
I'm not a therapist, but I play one online:
Thank you Stephen. I know you mean well. I've been going to grief counseling for quite some time and stay stuck between anger and bargaining. Anger at the whacks that put him on the PTSD meds that killed him and regret that I stood by and let that shit happen. More than you need to know...huh? It was a mess. Part of me is relieved that I don't have to deal with it anymore you know? Part of me wants to put back in the tape and start over. Part of me says I will never find someone to love more than him. Part of me wants to move on.
I replied:
Thanks for sharing, I won't meddle further. But the meds and the quacks who prescribe them? I have bipolar II disorder and the hell I've been through with the meds?
After 14 months on Seroquel I became so suicidal it was the only thing on my mind the moment I woke until I went to sleep. I was getting free samples and the PA who was giving them to me was out of town so I ran out and voila, the suicidality vanished. When he got back I emailed him and said what was going on and how little I was sleeping? He said, "maybe we should increase the dosage."
Then side effects from other combinations, like the sleep walking, the shakes, rage, memory loss, hallucinations, (entertaining until they scared the hell out of me) and going psychotic when I lost them all at the same time in 2007 on a plane flight... Rx drugs, and those who prescribe them,... But enough about me. I'm doing fantastic now, and suffer NO SYMPTOMS but that's why I'm driving a bus. My hypomania (not as bad as full blown mania) cost me one job after another from my erratic behavior. That's the full story on my dealing with my sarcasm. What sort or trouble can I get into driving a bus? Well, other than an accident...
So yes, I mean well. And you didn't "let that shit happen." I was not owning up to what was going on and loved to blame others but the actions I took were mine alone. "I take nothing for granted" is a quote in my profile. And now YOU know why I say that. It's not as cliche as "I'm happy to be alive" but I am. The ONLY thing that kept me alive was not wanting my mother and daughters to hate me. I was THAT close every time I saw a bridge abutment, oncoming traffic, or waking the fuck up in the morning. But it was nobody else's fault, and wouldn't have been, because I didn't call for help, I was too macho to admit my "weakness."
Let me help if you think I can. There's no turning back now, you know more about me than I should tell before six months of dating, but hey, you're different. Then if I can help you, that would make me happy and isn't that what is all about? Then your making me laugh would help me in return.
Stephen
Then I got a short one from her, paraphrasing: "I've met a lot of pricks in my life but you're a fucking cactus. I'm going to go out and do something stupid now, don't wait up."
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